Previous post:

Next post:

Review of Amway Global (Double X)

by Rasheed Bustamam on March 21, 2011

  • Sharebar
  • Pin It

UPDATE: I added a spreadsheet comparing Double X and Centrum Silver

Here I am, continuing my MLM reviews series.

Let's get into the nitty gritty of Amway's health products.

They have multi-vitamins and everything. What's so good about them? What's bad about them? Is there a better, cheaper alternative?

Double X Three tablets but only two X's...

Let's look at their flagship product... Double-X. No, it's not the name of a late-night movie, it's the name of their multivitamin.

You're supposed to take all three pills, twice a day. Once in the morning once in the evening. Sounds delish. It is beyond me why they can't just be like Costco and let you take one tablet per day in the morning for all your vitamin needs, but whatever. I'm not Nutrilite.

Alright, so click here for the nutrition facts of Double X. Also, from their description,

Unlike other leading multivitamins, a single serving of DOUBLE X is what you need your vitamin to be - 12 essential vitamins, 10 essential minerals, and 20 plant concentrates, giving you the antioxidant power of tomato, blueberry, broccoli, cranberry, pomegranate, and more. The B vitamins found in the NUTRILITE DOUBLE X Multivitamin unlock the energy in your food, and Double X contains more B6 and B12 vitamins than Centrum® Performance and One-a-Day Active® combined! In a clinical study, NUTRILITE DOUBLE X was shown to improve blood nutrient levels to provide your cells with the energy they need to support a healthy heart, brain, eyes, skin, bones, and immune system.

Hm... do you see a contradiction? In the directions, it says to take the three tablets twice daily... however, it says "a single serving of DOUBLE X is what you need your vitamin to be." So why take it twice daily if a single serving will do the trick? Furthermore, most vitamins I come across are single servings daily. Also, look at the %DV of a single serving. Most of them are well over 100%, so why take it twice? The ones that are less than 100% are ones that you will get regardless unless you eat chalk for breakfast lunch and dinner.

Before that though, we need to look at percentages. Well, according to the US Institute of Medicine, RDA for Vitamin D is 600 IU. Double X provides 200 IU per serving. So you'd actually need 3 servings to get your RDA. Or you can just drink a glass of milk.

Also, RDA for calcium is around 1000 mg/day. Double X provides 375 per serving. A glass of milk will also fill you up with your recommended amount.

Don't worry about biotin, because our body naturally synthesizes it. In fact, the US and Australia don't prescribe a recommended daily intake of biotin.

Iodine? Get some salt. A teaspoon will be fine. Just mix it in with your milk; you won't be able to tell the difference!

Zinc? Well, the RDA for zinc is 8mg/day for women and 11mg/day for men. Double X provides 7.5 mg per serving. So women would be fine with one serving; men could have a fruit or vegetable (zinc is contained in the soil, so different soil types will yield different zinc concentrations regardless of the plant) to satiate that.

Selenium deficiency is rare in healthy humans (even the ones who eat at Burger King every day) so if you eat cereal, meat, eggs, fish, or mushrooms, you're getting selenium.

Copper? The RDA for copper is .9 mg / day, but some people say it goes up to 3 mg / day. The WHO recommends 1.3 mg/day. If it's the former, then one serving of Double X will be fine... the latter? Well, you could take 3 servings of Double X (which could be dangerous seeing as you'll be adding all the other vitamins into your body just for one single vitamin), or you could eat some red meat, or some legumes, or grains... and you'll have your 100% RDA.

Chromium's (not the operating system) RDA is 35 ug in men, and 25 ug in females. One serving of Double X will be fine for this.

Last, but not least, molybdenum. Don't worry about pronouncing it correctly, I don't think I know how to either. We can see that the RDA for molybdenum is a maximum of 50 ug/day. So two servings of Double X! Or... from the same source...

The Total Diet Study, an annual survey of the mineral content in the typical American diet, indicates that the dietary intake of molybdenum averages 76 mcg/day for women and 109 mcg/day for men. Thus, usual molybdenum intakes are well above the RDA for molybdenum.

Cat food? At which point you may even think this looks delicious

Which means that if molybdenum deficiency is on your list of worries, you should probably reevaluate your priorities and check yourself for starvation.

Conclusion? One serving of Double X should suffice.

Another interesting point of Amway's description of the product--Double X contains more B6 and B12 vitamins than Centrum® Performance and One-a-Day Active® combined!

Well, that's sort of a moot point though. This isn't Centrum Performance, but this is Centrum Silver. It has more than 100% DV of Vitamins B6 and B12. So... having more is not necessarily better, seeing as a large excess of vitamins can be lethal. I prefer to stick to the numbers closest to 100% because I'm not an Olympic athlete.

Now, to tie it all up... the cost. Double X? $75 retail price for 1-2 months of consumption. Let's say 2 months. So average cost of $37.5 / month.

Centrum Silver? Drum roll please... we have a whopping twenty bucks for 220 capsules... That's almost $3 / month. Even if it's two capsules per day, it's $6 / month.

Now, there's one factor that I have not (and, quite frankly, cannot) comment on--and it's quality of ingredients. First of all, we don't know where the vitamins are coming from in Centrum. And even if we did... does it make a difference? A lot of health companies will tout the fact that their vitamins are all natural. Which means that they could add snake venom to the concoction and still not validate any claim. Sounds wonderful! Not saying that Nutrilite does, but seriously, does all-natural mean anything? I like the joke that says, "I used to love going the all natural route, until I read that 90% of all deaths are from natural causes."

Now, before you IBOs start yelling at me, hear me out. I've tried Double X for a long time. I was using Kirkland multivitamin before. Then after a few months of using Double X, I used Kirkland again. To be honest, I felt no difference when taking any multi-vitamin. Probably because I eat a somewhat well-balanced diet.

I often hear people selling vitamins say, "no one has time nowadays to eat a balanced diet, so that's why we need vitamins."

That's actually completely false though. If you're eating something, chances are, it has nutrients. Unless you're a broke college student, like some of my friends, and eat hot pockets for breakfast lunch and dinner, with twinkies and vodka for dessert, you're consuming nutrients. Even if you're eating at Burger King and McDonalds, you're still getting nutrients, even if they taste like garbage.

Just because it isn't a home-cooked meal does not mean it is devoid of nutrients. No, it usually means it's full of saturated fat and preservatives that aren't good for you not because of the lack of nutrients, but because of the calories and salt. In America, you usually don't see many people who have vitamin deficiencies; those are usually in undeveloped counties. However, if you wanna  be safe, go for it; take a multi-vitamin. And if you want to take the all-natural route, go for that too! Just know you'll be paying a lot more for that quality. If it's fine with you, then go for it. If not, then you can just take the Centrum or the Kirkland.

By the way, the dude in my signature is a top Amway distributor. I'm not part of Amway in any way, shape, or form, nor am I against Amway's business practices; but I keep the products separate from the business. A product is a product, I honestly don't  care who sells it. If it's overpriced, just right, or underpriced, I'll review on it with objective data. Actually, I take that back--I do care who sells it. If it's a dishonest company, I don't care if the product cures cancer, I will never support a company like that. Amway is not a dishonest company though, so they have nothing to worry about.

But keep in mind I'm doing product reviews, as a part of my company reviews. So don't call me anti-Amway or anything. Even if it were Mother-freaking Theresa or Gandhi selling Double X, my review will stay the same. It's called an unbiased approach; try it one day!

Now here's a big question: can you succeed in Amway?

Yes, anyone can succeed in Amway. There is a huge market for super vitamins like Double X and other Amway products. However, success in Amway doesn't have anything to do with the products (though they are important) and more to do with lead flow.

If you don't have a consistent lead flow, how do you expect to enroll people? If you want a clear-cut formula to get leads, click the link below!

UPDATE: Comparison of Double X and Centrum Silver can be found here: Double X vs Centrum Silver

The reader can make his/own judgment as to whether the extra cost is worth it.

Update 2: Many doctors are not exactly up-to-date on what the latest nutrition required by the average human body is. However, if you have a deficiency (e.g. I have a deficiency in Vitamin D), which is found using a blood test, they may prescribe something like 200-300% DV to make up for the deficiency. My own doctor doesn't recommend a multi-vitamin of any kind (besides the Vit. D supplement) so I just choose to change up my diet, trying to eat holistically. Whatever it is, look at the facts and ask yourself if the price is worth it to you.

Mickey

In peace, love, and prosperity,

Rasheed

916-623-5146

Inspire and earn money with this smartphone app

Save money on your smartphone bill, make money doing so!

If you enjoyed this post about Amway, share the wealth!

Related Posts Plugin for WordPress, Blogger...

Enjoyed this post?

Then you'll love signing up for updates ;)

I take your privacy very seriously

This post was written by...

– who has written 278 awesome posts on Blog2Success.

Rasheed is a 21-year-old college student studying chemical engineering, but he has much bigger ambitions than becoming an employee. His dream is to cruise continental America in a million dollar RV. The road to his dream is through this prestigious business opportunity.

Contact the author

Previous post:

Next post:

{ 27 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Tex March 21, 2011 at 3:28 am

Amway’s vitamins are made from plant materials. That’s why there are 3 pills, each of them has different ingredients. You take them twice a day because many vitamins are water soluble, and taking them twice a day keeps the blood vitamin level higher for a longer part of the 24 hour day.

Reply

2 Rasheed Bustamam March 21, 2011 at 9:45 pm

Hey Tex, thanks for your comment.

It’s good that taking the vitamins twice a day will keep the blood vitamin level higher, but is it necessary? The average person sleeps for around 8 hours a day, and I’d imagine that a person would take the vitamins with breakfast and then with dinner. Let’s say 7am and 5pm. Then bed at say, 11pm.

Is it really necessary to keep your blood vitamin level higher for the 6 hours you’d be awake? It depends on the person; if they feel it’s worth $1.20, then go for it. But personally, I’m most active during the first 12 hours of my day, after that I’m not really doing anything, so I don’t really need a second serving of vitamins.

Also, could you comment on the fact that Amway themselves in the description says that one serving of Double X serves your daily needs of vitamins, and compare that with your statement?

A lot of IBO’s say that Double X contains the minimum amount of vitamins required for a day; why is it that it contains less than 100% per serving in several crucial micronutrients?

Thanks Tex,
Rasheed

Reply

3 Tex March 22, 2011 at 4:21 am

It isn’t “necessary” to eat any fruits or vegetables, either. Higher vitamin blood levels help the healing and other processes whether you’re awake or asleep.

Regarding Amway’s statement, please provide the source.

The micronutrients that are less than 100% are probably substances you get in other foods and there is a upper daily limit that may be exceeded if you had 100% in the vitamins. Have you compared Double X with other vitamins for macro and micro nutrient levels?

Reply

4 Rasheed Bustamam March 23, 2011 at 6:12 am

Hey Tex, thanks for replying.

Are you implying with your first statement that as long as one takes a multivitamin, they don’t need to eat fruits and vegetables? I’ve a few sources that say otherwise; right here, here, and here. Please provide your source as well.

Amway’s statement can be found on the Double X page. I quoted it in the post for reference.

I have not compared Double X with other vitamins for macro/micro nutrient levels, but I will today; I’ll be editing this very post.

I also have been unable to find any source that says that we should take vitamins twice a day in order to keep our blood vitamin level at the optimal level. Please provide the source of this statement as well.

Thanks Tex,
Rasheed

Reply

5 Tex March 23, 2011 at 11:19 am

No, I’m not implying that at all. It was YOU who asked whether it was necessary to take vitamins twice a day, all I did was carry the point a little further, that fruits and vegetables aren’t necessary, either. In fact, there are societies that traditionally haven’t eaten these foods, such as Eskimos. So the question isn’t whether something is “necessary,” the question is whether you want adequate or optimal nutrition. In fact, I even had a post yesterday from the AMA that flatly recommends a multivitamin. Granted, it took the usual several decades of solid science for the AMA to finally make that statement, but better late than never: http://texsquixtarblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-ambot0-amway-information-sucks.html

I explained why twice a day is optimal in the first post. You could probably find it discussed further on the nutrilite site.

I didn’t see the statement on the Double X page, please provide the link. I suspect it is merely some awkward wording, because the site clearly states the recommended adult dose is to take the 3 tablets twice/day, with meals. Be sure to comment on phytonutrients from the other companies as well.

Reply

6 Rasheed Bustamam March 23, 2011 at 10:44 pm

@Tex,

I’m not sure what your point of view here is. From your blog, I can clearly tell that you hate any tools system that comes with an MLM. I also inferred that you support Amway, but you also make a few sarcastic remarks about a few Amway products (like Perfect Water). I’m trying to wrap my head around your motive but it’s not working out.

Anyway, you can get to the nitty gritty of the AMA (that’s American Medical Association in case the reader doesn’t know) right here: http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/287/23/3127.full#sec-4

It says:

“We recommend that all adults take one multivitamin daily. This practice is justified mainly by the known and suspected benefits of supplemental folate and vitamins B12, B6, and D in preventing cardiovascular disease, cancer, and osteoporosis and because multivitamins at that dose are safe and inexpensive.”

You explained why twice a day is optimal in your first comment, yes. But the very AMA you just cited says that all adults should take one multivitamin daily; and two for the elderly. So now there is a discrepancy between the Nutrilite site and the Journal of American Medicane Association. Who to believe?

Also, AMA said that “multivitamins at that dose are safe and inexpensive.” Double X is not inexpensive at $2 per day.

The other companies don’t release any phytonutrient contents. However, according to Web-MD, http://www.webmd.com/diet/phytonutrients-faq

You can get all your phytonutrient content from fruits and veggies.

Of course, there’s the semantics of what is “necessary” and what is recommended. Double-X may be able to replace the phytonutrient content of fresh fruit, but personally, I would rather just eat an apple and some grapes.

Reply

7 Tex March 23, 2011 at 11:20 am

By the way, I noticed your picture with Howie. You know he’s an LCK, right?

Reply

8 Rasheed Bustamam March 23, 2011 at 10:08 pm

@Tex,

Lying Cowardly Kingpin? Whether he’s an LCK or not, he’s successful in network marketing. Sure he makes money from the tools, but those what you make of them. Personally, I feel that business support materials should be free to the IBO or distributor or whatever the company calls them, so I don’t personally agree with WWDB’s support system.

But for the people who find value in every penny they spend on the BSM’s, power to them.

Reply

9 Tex March 24, 2011 at 3:23 am

I don’t hate the tool system at all. I’ve clearly said many times I value the tools. I have a problem with the PRICES, which create the LOSSES for 99% of the IBOs and the high PROFIT for the top 1%. If you want to clear this up by discussing on the phone, let me know. Amway is complicit in this, and did NOT clamp down on the Perfect Water fiasco for a VERY long time, either.

There is no discrepancy. You can consider the AMA to be the minimum, and Nutrilite to be optimal. Just like there are minimum recommended amounts of vitamins to prevent disease, but you can take more for more health value, how much more before potential harm occurs depends on the specific vitamin/nutrient.

How much does Double X cost at IBO price? It is less than $2/day, isn’t it?

The reason other companies don’t report their phytonutrient content is because they don’t HAVE any phytonutrients. Most other vitamins are NOT derived from plant material, they are made in a laboratory and are isolated vitamins.

The point is most people don’t eat the recommended amounts of fruits and vegetables, and they would spend about the same amount as the money spent on Double X if they DID eat enough. The idea isn’t either fruits and vegetables OR Double X, the idea is to SUPPLEMENT your fruit and vegetable intake to ensure you are consuming a VARIETY of beneficial materials not found in an ordinary apple or bunch of grapes.

I agree Howie is successful…successful in ripping off people like YOU. I don’t agree tools should be free, there is a cost to produce them and I believe there should be a REASONABLE profit made from them. There is value in the tools ONLY if the buyer understands their upline makes several TIMES more from the tools than from Amway AND understands they will lose money until they break even at about the Platinum level. Otherwise, they are being ripped off.

Reply

10 Rasheed Bustamam March 24, 2011 at 6:39 pm

@Tex,

Howie hasn’t ripped me off because I never spent a penny on a WWDB event or any of their tools. I was invited, and the ticket was paid for by someone else.

I don’t know how the different tools system comp plan works, but I do know that they are very overpriced, in my opinion. CD’s cost a buck to make at most, so maybe a 100% profit on CDs would work.

There’s also that premier thing, which costs like $50? $70? I dunno, but it contains a LOT of features, sure; but many of those features go unused by most distributors; yet every WWDB distributor is recommended to be on Premier. I don’t know what percentage of that money flows upward, but it must be a lot because a website does NOT cost $50! You don’t even get your own domain. But I digress.

I know that the other companies don’t have phytonutrients; it’d be in their best interest to list any if they had any. In terms of phytonutrients, of course the other companies would fail.

Double X costs a little less than $2/day for IBO price, but I go by retail price because not everyone will buy at the IBO price. Judging by retail price ($75/month), it’s like $2.20/day.

But of course, it’s all personal preference. If a person finds it worth it to spend $2.20/day to supplement their ordinary fruit intake with a variety of different phytonutrients and the like, then they can. Personally, I don’t find the benefit to be worth it.

In reference to talking on the phone, I think I understand your viewpoint on the price of tools.

Thanks for commenting.

Reply

11 Tex March 25, 2011 at 5:34 am

I’m glad you recognized the Amway Tool Scam and weren’t ripped off by it. I suspect someone won’t buy your ticket a second time. You should not expect much support from your upline or Howie in the future. You realize that, right?

How much Double X have YOU sold at full retail price? I don’t think a very high percentage of Double X is bought at full retail price, so I wouldn’t use that in making a price per day cost.

Most people don’t have the sense to maintain their weight at a reasonable level, so I wouldn’t expect them to care much about their nutrient intake, either. But those people aren’t the target market for Double X, are they?

Reply

12 Rasheed Bustamam March 25, 2011 at 11:15 pm

I’m not in Amway at all. So… zero Double X sold at full retail. I use retail price because from my understanding, it is Amway’s policy to have ten customers per month (or ten retail sales per month)… so, it only makes sense to use Amway’s retail cost and not IBO cost.

The target market for Double X is obviously the people interested in their own health. The people who don’t want to maintain their weight probably don’t care much about their health; and if they do, then they’re just too lazy to do anything about it.

However, it is those same people who are actually trying to get healthier who are hit by other nonsensical products like MonaVie, and those random Acai weight loss scams that charge your credit card for hundreds of dollars for that little free trial.

Supplements are interesting. I understand they are meant to supplement a healthy diet. But with the healthy diet also comes roughly the RDA of the recommended vitamins and minerals. But of course, phytonutrients also do not have an RDA by the government. Recommended? Probably, but I’ve never had a doctor tell me I needed to eat more phytonutrients. He always asked me if I ate fruit. I once told him “no, but I took a phytonutrient pill” and he shook his head saying that it’s no replacement. Phytonutrients are indeed supplements, but the question is if they are necessary supplements.

From the Answers link you shared, it says this: “ULs shown as “ND” could not be determined, and it is recommended that intake from these nutrients be from food only, to prevent adverse effects.”

The vitamins listed with ND are: Vitamin K, Biotin, Chromium, Cyanocobalamin (B12), Panteothic Acid (B5), Potassium, Riboflavin (B2), Sulfate, and Thiamin (B1).

Not to knock on Double X alone, because other supplements have a few of those vitamins. But that doesn’t make it okay for either of the products to contain those vitamins. This is a review of Double X, not Centrum.

There seems to be discrepancy between the optimal and minimum. What exactly is minimum anyway? Would the RDA be minimum? So if a person gets 100% of all his/her vitamins in a day, is that minimum or optimal? Nutrilite can say that the amounts they administer is optimal, but if they can’t back it up, then they become like all the other supplement companies that just say you need it so you can buy their product.

The thing about optimal is that no matter what multivitamin I take, I know for a fact I’m whizzing most of it away. You can tell by the color of the urine. If it’s an intense yellow, kinda darker, I like to say it’s “glowing,” then you’re just whizzing money down the toilet. So who’s to say what’s optimal for me and what isn’t? Unfortunately I have no way of knowing what vitamins I actually need more of unless I get a blood test from a doctor (even without taking supplements, I’ve never had any reports of being deficient in a certain vitamin, except for maybe vitamin A).

And I think that’s what most of this boils down to. Not everyone needs a supplement. Many of the people who already eat healthy diets already get their optimal amounts of many vitamins and minerals. Sure if they take Double X then they increase their chances of having more optimal amounts of more vitamins and minerals, and also get their variety, but is it necessary? And I think that’s what the problem is. A lot of people are self-administering based on what they read on the Internet, but many people are in different health situations, just as you said. Some people may be diabetic, some may be pregnant (need more vitamins), some may be more physically active, etc… and yes, a lot of people are in those situations. The question is, who knows what exactly those people need in order to live an optimal healthy lifestyle? Not wikipedia, not Answers.com, not you, not me. A blood test can tell their doctor the answer, and their doctor can go and tell them what supplements they need to take.

If the doctor just says, “you’re healthy! Optimal amounts of vitamins, no deficiencies anywhere!” Then why take a multi-vitamin?

The funny thing is that if you’re anything like me, you’re lazy and if you know you know that you eat well, you might think that means you don’t need to go to the doctor. And admittedly, I usually only go to the doctor if there’s something wrong. But even then, he just gives me some antibiotics or whatever and doesn’t say anything about my blood test. I assume that’s a good sign.

I guess the point I’m trying to drive at with this entire blog post and this comment thread is a) multivitamins are not always necessary/optimal. And b) it can be a lot cheaper to take different vitamin supplements if you know which ones you lack.

Also, you say “There are new reports all the time about various plant substances being beneficial, and Double X is made from plants, not snake venom.” I know Double X is not made from Snake Venom, but it also isn’t entirely made from plants.

Looking at the DX nutrition facts, Vitamin A (from beta carotene and Vitamin A Acetate) (75% as natural beta carotene). So 25% is not natural; 25% is synthesized. Now, I’m not saying that anything is wrong with synthesized vitamins. But if the consumer thinks s/he is paying $75 / month for an “all-natural” multi-vitamin when they take Double X, then they are mistaken, because some of the vitamins are clearly synthesized.

Let’s look at a few more: Vitamin C (from ascorbic acid, acerola fruit concentrate). Thiamin (from thiamin mononitrate, thiamin hydrochloride). Calcium from calcium carbonate. Magnesium from magnesium oxide.

Now I’m sure that the majority of Double X is indeed plant-derived, but I still want to point out that Double X also uses synthesized, “isolated” vitamins.

Also, Nutrilite says themselves in the FAQ:

“Some NUTRILITE supplements contain vitamins from both natural and synthetic sources. We use both sources because, without synthetic vitamins, some of our supplements would not supply the optimum nutrient levels. In these cases, delivering enough nutrients without synthetic vitamins would require tablets that would be far too large for human consumption. So some products are formulated with a combination of synthetic vitamins and plant concentrates to deliver the important phytonutrients along with the nutritional levels that are consistent with leading science.”

Let’s look at the ingredients for Centrum Performance:

“INGREDIENTS: Dibasic Calcium Phosphate, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Potassium Chloride, Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C), Calcium Carbonate, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vit. E), Magnesium Oxide, Ginseng Root (Panax ginseng) Standardized Extract, Ferrous Fumarate, Niacinamide, Modified Corn Starch, Crospovidone. Contains < 2% of: Acacia, Beta-Carotene, BHT, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Cholecalciferol (Vit. D3), Chromium Picolinate, Citric Acid, Corn Starch, Cupric Sulfate, Cyanocobalamin (Vit. B12), FD&C Yellow No. 6 Aluminum Lake, Folic Acid, Gelatin, Hydrogenated Palm Oil, Hypromellose, Magnesium Borate, Magnesium Stearate, Maltodextrin, Manganese Sulfate, Medium-Chain Triglycerides, Nickelous Sulfate, Phytonadione (Vit. K), Polyethylene Glycol, Polyvinyl Alcohol, Potassium Iodide, Pregelatinized Corn Starch, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vit. B6), Riboflavin (Vit. B2), Silicon Dioxide, Sodium Ascorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Metavanadate, Sodium Molybdate, Sodium Selenate, Sorbic Acid, Stannous Chloride, Sucrose, Talc, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vit. B1), Titanium Dioxide, Tocopherols, Vitamin A Acetate, Zinc Oxide. May also contain < 2% of: Ascorbyl Palmitate, Calcium Stearate, Dried Corn Syrup, Sodium Aluminosilicate, Sunflower Oil, Tribasic Calcium Phosphate."

I just skimmed it, but I see a few natural things. Ginseng root. Acacia. Corn starch (albeit modified). Sure, most of it is synthesized, and of course it contains 0 phytonutrients, but it delivers the necessary vitamins.

So I think the only difference between Double X and other leading vitamins is its inclusion of phytonutrients. And as I said before, if the consumer thinks the $2.20 or $1.90 per day price tag is worth it, then awesome. I'm not going to stop them or condemn them.

Also, you said: "Your Double X and Centrum comparison is for half the recommended amount of Double X. You should double all the Double X numbers if you want to have a fair comparison."

If I doubled the Double X numbers, then I should also double the Centrum numbers. After all, if you can take one serving of Double X morning and night for optimal blood vitamin level, then can't you do the same with other vitamins? Even if the other vitamins don't explicitly say it, blood vitamin level still needs to be high no matter what supplement you use.

So I compared serving to serving.

Thanks for commenting.

Reply

13 Tex March 25, 2011 at 7:51 am

I reread your original post more carefully, and here’s some additional comments. First of all, Double X is not called a substitute, it is called a supplement. The purpose of a supplement is to supplement, or add to, the nutrients you get from food, thus ensuring you have a better chance of consuming the optimal amount of various nutrients more consistently. Here’s a good discussion of various levels, including a historical perspective: http://www.answers.com/topic/dietary-reference-intake As you can see, the values change constantly, but one fact remains – these are minimum levels, not optimal levels. A significant amount of research has occurred for several decades identifying the optimal levels, especially important for people in non-average circumstances, such as pregnancy, diabetes, more physically active, older, etc. Note there are a LOT of people that meet these conditions.

Also, the “single serving” did not claim to meet the entire day of optimal vitamin levels, the remainder of the sentence was related to the wide variety of nutrients, not the level of those nutrients.

Regarding biotin intake, see http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=42

Regarding iodine, many people are on a low salt diet, so getting iodine by adding a teaspoon of salt to your milk isn’t a very good idea.

If cost is your primary concern, I suggest you look at the Nutrilite Daily vitamins.

There are new reports all the time about various plant substances being beneficial, and Double X is made from plants, not snake venom.

Most people don’t “feel” any difference between taking any vitamins, but that isn’t proof there aren’t benefits. Most people don’t have a “feeling” warning of a heart attack, either, so I don’t understand your point.

The college diet you described does NOT provide anywhere NEAR even the recommended minimum amounts of nutrients, let alone the optimal.

Your Double X and Centrum comparison is for half the recommended amount of Double X. You should double all the Double X numbers if you want to have a fair comparison.

Reply

14 Tex March 26, 2011 at 3:32 am

Not being an IBO also means you don’t realize selling Amway products is difficult, at best. Amway was told in 1979 by the FTC it is wrong to require items to be sold at retail cost. So it doesn’t make any sense to use retail cost.

I already covered the supplement and required issues, I’m not going to repeat myself.

I have also previously stated Double X comes from plants, which are a type of food.

As far as optimal and minimum, you’re going to have to be more curious to read the recent science done in this area. Your doctor is probably not a good source, doctors are taught to fix what is broken, not keep it from breaking.

I already said the AMA recommends a multivitamin. You ignored it.

Since you don’t even review your blood test with your doctor, how do you even know what he’s testing for, or how much training he has in nutrition?

The reason I recommended doubling the Double X is because that is what is recommended by the manufacturer. Does Centrum recommend you take their vitamin once or twice/day?

Reply

15 Rasheed Bustamam March 27, 2011 at 10:19 pm

Selling any MLM product would be difficult, at retail anyway.

Amway doesn’t require items to be sold at retail cost, but if a customer buys from an IBO via their website, does Amway charge IBO cost or retail cost? I don’t know this, but I assume it’s retail cost because otherwise why would they be called a retail customer?

Even if a distributor purchases product from Amway and sells to customers directly (much like a retail store would do), the distributor wouldn’t sell at the IBO price otherwise they’d post a loss (after factoring in shipping). Since only two prices are listed (IBO vs retail), I assume that they’d sell at recommended retail price. Of course, if an IBO does this, they could technically sell their product at whatever price they want because it’s their product, but that’s why it’s called recommended retail price.

Either way, at $75, or at $50, it’s still more expensive than the competitors (where you can get 100 tablets for less than $20).

Double X is made from food, but it hardly classifies as a food. No one can (or should) take it as sustenance, which is the purpose of food in the first place. Of course, none of the other vitamins I’ve looked at have many natural substances in them, so that’s a point for Double X.

Whenever something is “broken” with me, I ask my doctor how it could have happened and how I could prevent it. He sure seemed pretty knowledgeable as to how to keep it from “breaking.” And sure enough, if I followed his advice (e.g., to prevent sinus infections, wash hands often and consume enough vitamin C to help the immune system), I would be sick less often.

Back in high school I had a horrible diet, and I was also known as the guy who was sick every other week. Of course that was an exaggeration on their part, but it’s not that far from the truth. Go figure that when I shape up my diet, I’m no longer sick “every other week.”

The problem with science (and this isn’t really anyone’s fault, it’s just something I’m pointing out) is that it changes really rapidly with the way information is being discovered. The Double X formula hasn’t changed in at least 4 years (I know this because we have the container from 4 years ago, and comparing it with the current nutrition facts, they are identical) though I’m sure there’s been discoveries in terms of optimal vs minimal amounts needed.

Of course I’m not expecting Double X or any other vitamin company to simply change their formula every year; that’d be too costly and it wouldn’t make much sense. But to be current? I doubt any vitamin out in the market nowadays is current.

I’m not saying that no one should take a multivitamin. Clearly, some people don’t get even the minimal amounts of nutrients, so of course a multivitamin would be necessary for them. However, what about for the people who watch their diets actively, and get their minimum, or even optimal, amounts of nutrition daily? Why should they take a multivitamin? Surely, this would be a minority of people (only people I could imagine who could take that much food regularly are hardcore bodybuilders and athletes, people who actively monitor their diets for performance in their daily lifestyles, as well as health enthusiasts), but that’s probably why the AMA recommends a multivitamin in the first place–because the average American doesn’t get nearly enough nutrients (more like empty calories and cholesterol overload).

But those are the same people who need the multivitamins the most, but are also the ones who don’t take them because they don’t care about their health. I imagine the people who should be taking multivitamins, and the ones who probably do take them, are the average “healthy” eater. They don’t eat much fast food, they drink 8 glasses of water every day, they watch what goes into their body (but doesn’t necessarily record it)… but with those same people, they also probably eat a variety of fruits and vegetables, so would it be necessary to take a phytonutrient supplement? Perhaps it would be optimal, but necessary?

I guess the take-home point would lead all the way to the consumer. If they know what exactly makes Double X better than the Centrum counterparts (more natural ingredients, and a variety of phytonutrients), and are willing to pay that much more for the Double X, then they can go for it. But that begs the question–how many people who take Double X actually know why it’s better, other than what their upline’s told them? How many of them are willing to do their due diligence research like you clearly have, and actually look at what makes their product better? Many people won’t even know where to start. A lot of them would just say, “Amway would never market a bad product!” which is a terrible attitude to have. It’s great that they have faith, but to have blind faith in a corporation makes one a drone… kinda funny how a lot of Amway IBO’s (and even distributors from zillions of other MLM companies) will be quick to criticize the “drone” following the 45-year plan, but will go to the grave defending Amway just on sheer belief.

As if it were a deity or something? Also reminds me of TEAM MonaVie and how they treated Orrin Woodward like he were the messiah. They would also tell everyone that their product cured cancer (which… is a claim that is too stupid for words).

Anyway, I had a great debate with you Tex. Thanks for stimulating conversation and having an actual intellectual conversation with me instead of just being like a drone who just repeats what the brochures say.

To your success, brother!
Rasheed

Reply

16 Tex March 27, 2011 at 11:52 pm

The IBO can set the price at any price they want, it could even be below IBO cost or above full retail cost, however the web site only allows the range between IBO cost and retail cost. This is an IBO decision.

Most IBOs use direct shipment to customers. Shipping is included in the total cost, and shipping is free for orders $99 or more.

When comparing prices, you are ignoring quality. Would you expect to pay the same for a Hyundai or a Porsche?

Nobody ever said Double X is a food.

Oh no, your doctor tells you to take vitamin C? Horrors!

4-5 years ago sounds about the right time they changed the formulation. It’s probably about due for another change. Amway/Nutrilite is usually on the leading edge of science, but not the bleeding edge. I would expect vitamin D to be increased on the next go around.

You keep asking the optimal vs. necessary question, and I keep saying I’ve already answered it.

The main reason many IBOs don’t know much about Double X is the upline doesn’t want them to have a questioning attitude, or else the IBOs would start asking about the Amway Tool Scam as well.

You know Orrin came from Amway, right? Claiming to cure cancer is also illegal. It also appears that Orrin’s MV business is not doing well, too many people have realized he’s a tool scam artist.

You’re welcome. If you read my site, you would have a hard time calling me anything but intellectual or sounding like a drone.

Reply

17 Rasheed Bustamam March 28, 2011 at 8:42 pm

I left a reply earlier but I guess it didn’t process. I’ll rewrite it later.

Reply

18 health product reviews April 19, 2012 at 2:43 am

I have not (and, quite frankly, cannot) comment on–and it’s quality of ingredients.

Reply

19 Rasheed Bustamam April 19, 2012 at 2:45 pm

Thanks for your comment.

Reply

20 BG Jenkins July 27, 2012 at 3:18 am

Rasheed,

You are hilarious…best review I’ve read in a long time! First of all, we take Centrum Silver so it’s good to know that it’s comparable to Double X and cheaper. The diet in the U.S. is pretty poor…not from lack of food so much but as from examples of your holistic chalk diet, and twinkie and vodka snacks. This was a very clever and enjoyable read. I like your twist on it.

Reply

21 Rasheed Bustamam July 31, 2012 at 4:20 pm

Thanks BG! Glad you enjoyed the review :P

The US diet seems to be getting worse and worse. I’m no “eat all natural” person (though I will agree it is better to be natural than not), but all of the processed foods with added cholesterol for taste is really killing us, literally. Even candies have a lot of Vitamin C nowadays, but doesn’t mean they’re healthy.

Reply

22 Jill September 10, 2012 at 6:31 pm

Thanks for all the info. The thing is, I took these years ago (double x) and I still remember all the energy they gave me. I stopped because of the price but I really miss the energy. No other vitamins ever gave e all the energy. Now I am thinking it was all in my head. Anyone else happen to get a lot of energy from these? Maybe I’m crazy.

Reply

23 Rasheed Bustamam September 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm

Maybe, but perhaps not. Energy is a funny concept because some people take snake oil and claim it gives them more energy. There may be some “synergizing” going on (sum of the parts greater than the total) but there’s no real science behind the concept of “synergy.”

Reply

24 Kristopher Key September 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm

I do not really want to go back and forth about wether or not Double X is worth the investment, and I am still just learning about the Amway products. I have only been a IBO with them for 6 weeks now, however It seems like the comparisons that have been made might be an apples to oranges type comparison. The only reason why I am saying this is because, although your review was of Double X, you have been comparing it to a one a day vitamin. I am aware that Amway carries a one a day vitamin that they compare to the centrum one a day vitamin. The Nutrilite branded one a day vitamin that Amway offers is only $13.50 for 90 capsules, or a 3 month supply. Just thought that this might be worth mentioning. In fact you might even decide to do a review of this product as well. I think I would enjoy that. :)

Reply

25 Rasheed Bustamam September 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm

Hey Kristopher, thanks for stopping by.

Congratulations on becoming an IBO. I wish you the best of success in your business.

I did compare Double X to a one-a-day vitamin, but that’s mainly because Double X is the one primarily marketed by Amway (it seems to be their flagship health product). It is meant to be taken twice a day, but a tablet is still a tablet. I don’t see why someone couldn’t take two Centrum tablets a day and still make a fair comparison to Double X, seeing as their nutritional compositions are very similar.

I have not looked much into the Nutrilite one-a-day vitamins, but the price you quote is pretty low for a 3 month supply of vitamins. Thanks for bringing that up, I’ll have to look more into it.

R

Reply

26 Kristopher Key September 20, 2012 at 10:47 pm

Thank you for your reply Rasheed! Im sorry to report that I slightly misquoted the price of the Daily Multivitamin. I just checked on it and it is $15.55 for the 3 month supply, and $28.30 for a 6 month supply. I still think that this is a very reasonable price for a one a day vitamin. I will also leave you the link to the product on my personal retail website you can look into it further. If you click on the more tab and select competitive information, that is where they make the comparison to Advanced Formula Centrum. I had also read that Nutrilite Daily contains 518mg of whole plant concentrates while Centrum and One A Day contain only 3mg of isolated plant ingredients. I can not currently find the link to that information, but as soon as I do I will share that as well. I don’t know how you feel about that last little bit of information, but personally I would rather be consuming ingredients that are from actual plant material and not lab created powders. Hope to hear more from you soon. It is always nice to have someone else share their point of view.

http://www.amway.com/KrisKey/Shop/Product/Product.aspx/NUTRILITE-Daily-Multivitamin-Multimineral-90-Count?itemno=104174

Reply

27 Rasheed Bustamam September 21, 2012 at 9:14 pm

Thanks for sharing Kristopher.

If you could share the information about the plant isolates, that would be great. According to the Nutrilite label, it contains 518 mg of “Nutrilite concentrate”–how “whole plant” it is, is to be determined. For example, the first ingredient is “tricalcium phosphate” which is most commonly produced synthetically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricalcium_phosphate It does naturally occur in cow’s milk, but seeing as there is no allergen warning, I am not sure if this is the source of the phosphate. Seeing as the “Nutrilite concentrate” likely has a patent, I’m not sure how much information can be extracted regarding what its sources are.

I am curious to know what exactly constitutes as a “plant isolate” though, seeing as all of the plants are sent to a lab and processed heavily in order to be be in the pill. Lab created powders are synthesized from inorganic substances (vitamin A from Acetone, for example). As for whether natural or synthetic is better, it seems like the debate is raging on. I would agree that natural is better for sure, but that begs the question–is it worth it? That’s up to the consumer to decide, ultimately.

I don’t know if this is a reliable source, but it seems like a good read. Check it out, especially the part about the synthetics to avoid: http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/synthetic-vs-natural-vitamins/

If you can find vitamins not containing those synthetics at your local GNC or Vitamin World, I think that would be a fair apples-to-apples comparison to the Nutrilite Daily in terms of price point.

I took a quick look at Vitamin World’s Green Source: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:8HTXh48zJLsJ:www.vitaminworld.com/vf/labels/006190VW.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiSi1Qnxt_IuiNxDQ7zyeB-joabp1_1E0VgPJTBSWeshEcEGh3bXVtI6oE1-KtGXe–iscMuG17HaU_ErYmYPSVtp7oMB7tZC4_4_Efzu0kZ9ePvn1wFrgRB2Uv6X9WGOtsyPvl&sig=AHIEtbShJbn2RyZxoGntsWzKRXbtPAdpRw

The “Whole Food” blend itself is 1200 mg. 40 servings for around $50–I think this would be a fair comparison to the Double X at the very least.

$15 for 3 months for Nurtilite Daily seems like a great price though. I can’t find anything as competitive at GNC or Vitamin World, but the vitamins I got from Costco for like $15 was a year’s supply–not sure about its whole plant concentrates though.

I don’t mean to discourage you at all–just trying to direct you to some information and ensure that you don’t buy into the “our product is the best because it has the Nutrilite brand” thing, as many people have, unfortunately.

Reply

Leave a Comment

 Check here to get access to my vault 

{ 1 trackback }